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Hope and positive values in science fiction, then vs now

2022.01.22 17:30 DarthMeow504 Hope and positive values in science fiction, then vs now

In a discussion on the Orville subreddit, the following exchange took place which I think is worth reposting here:
OneTwoWee000 · 22 hr. ago · edited 21 hr. ago
Well said! I agree with everything you wrote.

Star Trek has, from the very beginning, been about optimism. It presents the best versions of ourselves as a species, on that has overcome our issues - racism, sexism, disease, poverty, and class are all things of the past - and learned to work together and seek diplomatic, fair, and reasonable solutions to any problems that may arise.
This is key!
To me, it is what differentiates Trek from other sci fi legends like Star Wars and Battlefield Galactica. I love those too, but in Trek Humanity has evolved past so much.
I recently have been rewatching Deep Space Nine which aired when I was in elementary school. Watching it as an adult I am struck by the richness in the characters in earlier Trek series as well as the respect these crews have for other sentient beings. The emphasis on coexisting, respecting and embracing our differences in culture/heritage, and the focus on understanding the worlds/life forms around them. There is still conflict in this future but the federation characters do not seek to harm/crush others or dominate.
I do feel like The Orville is much more of a spiritual successor to Trek then the modern series. After Star Trek Enterprise the entire franchise took a turn I don’t really enjoy. There seem to be a lot of writers who aren’t familiar with the Trek series or even writing science fiction. There were a lot of articles touting “firsts” but there have always been diverse crews and plenty of amazing female characters in Star Trek.
DarthMeow504 · just now
Battlefield Galactica
The reboot yes, gritty grimdark 9/11 allegory in space with Jack Bauer's 24 as the model for the so-called ethics of the series.
The original was different. Yes, it started with a tragedy and a near-genocide of the existing civilization, but the survivors never gave up their values or surrendered to despair. They had a goal, to find the lost 13th colony where they could live in peace and start again. They weren't even certain it was real, Adama had faith but also had doubts, and many of the others didn't believe it was anything but a myth, but they all agreed that something to move forwards towards was exactly what they needed. They understood that without some hope to cling to and a unifying mission to bind them together they'd collapse from within and destroy themselves with or without Cylon help. And even the most cynical among them felt that even if they didn't find anything out there, at least they would be away from the Cylon threat and could build something from scratch if they had to.
So if you think about it, the message was that even in the darkest times and most desperate of situations, hope can light your way and keep you going if you keep that flame alive in your heart.
There were of course hardcore hawks and idealistic doves among them, and you could argue that they didn't have the capability to wipe out the Cylons and that's why it wasn't their objective, but on the other hand they for the most part didn't really want to unless they had to. They'd prefer to just re-establish their civilization far away beyond the reach of the enemy and be left alone. This is most apparent in the episode where there was a proposed peace conference on that resort planet, which despite some protest they did attend in good faith.
It didn't work out because the Cylons had no intention of honoring any peace and in fact had set a trap, but the primary reason for resistance to the idea among the humans wasn't the rejection of peace but instead distrust of the Cylons. Some would have preferred to press a war of annihilation if it was possible, but cooler and wiser heads prevailed and advised that revenge, even if successful, wouldn't gain them anything but instead only bring more death and destruction when they'd seen more than enough of that already.
Of course that distrust proved to be justified, but the dissenters like Apollo and Starbuck who were the audience viewpoint characters didn't object to the idea of peace, they just didn't believe the Cylons wanted peace. In fact the words "it's too good to be true" were spoken more than once, indicating clearly that even these frontline soldiers who fought the Cylons as their primary duty would not merely accept but in fact welcome a peaceful resolution.
The enemy was the aggressor bent on genocide, which was the primary attribute which marked them as evil, whereas the humans who were coded as heroic were defenders who would fight to save the lives under their protection but had no real desire to destroy an enemy that wasn't posing a direct threat. Any offensive strategy was taken out of necessity for the goal of depriving the enemy of destructive capability, with the understanding that their foes wouldn't stop attacking until and unless they were forced to stop.
My point is that the original BSG hailed from a better era when we expected our protagonists to be actually heroic with the moral and ethical standards to earn the title. A time where you might hear the line "that would make us no better than them" as a reason not to cross an ethical line, because it was important to be good people even if that meant taking risks or facing a more difficult struggle. Because those values they held meant something, they were worth the effort of living by and worth the sacrifice of dying for if necessary. Those values defined who they were, and they wouldn't sell them out at any price.
Ultimately, they were unwilling to become villains in order to achieve their goals because that would only mean that villainy won no matter which side dominated the other. Nowadays, far too often the protagonists are villains in the first place or descend into villainy quickly and the conflict becomes a muddled mire of dark vs dark with no light to be found. Those who find this "realistic" reveal their own cynicism and / or lack of redeeming qualities and it's a depressing trend indeed for those of us who would still like to hold hope that humanity can be better than what we far too often are.
I'm thankful there are still stories like The Orville carrying that torch, may it never be extinguished.
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Availing service as in, paying for them for what they do. When criticism happens, SO might be hurt, if you didn't criticize it may be below your standards.
It feels like someone loses here with either decision if the standards isn't met, or is the real answer here is just being matured enough(which is the problem before) to be able to accept criticism/not meeting your standards? But I feel like if standards isn't met, you could've just paid someone else to meet it, which will maybe affect SO too?
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Tested out Valorant, Valheim, etc. and they all run as expected. I also ran some stress tests including Heaven and Cinebench with no issues. This is a solid build that can run most 1080p games at Medium to High graphics, maybe better for lighter loads. 16GB of RAM is a good perk. Storage is also a plus with this one, with 2.5 TB total to work with, including a 500GB SSD. It is also WiFi capable with a USB antenna that I can't find specs on sadly.
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2022.01.22 17:29 Please_send_help2772 What if the magic breaking was a test for Abuela?

Ok, so that might be obvious- but still. Imma talk about it anyway.
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